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		<title>Comment on Here&#8217;s Your Future by LFC</title>
		<link>http://slouchingcolumbia.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/heres-your-future-2/#comment-2128</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LFC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haven&#039;t yet  read and absorbed the whole post.

But i notice you think Kindred is right about the &quot;destabilizing security dilemmas&quot; thing. I think he is probably wrong. Interesting that that post has gotten linked so much, at least in certain circles (first Adam Elkus, now you).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t yet  read and absorbed the whole post.</p>
<p>But i notice you think Kindred is right about the &#8220;destabilizing security dilemmas&#8221; thing. I think he is probably wrong. Interesting that that post has gotten linked so much, at least in certain circles (first Adam Elkus, now you).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Here&#8217;s Your Future by PJ W</title>
		<link>http://slouchingcolumbia.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/heres-your-future-2/#comment-2122</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PJ W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are dealing with the mundane status quo muck. Why do we tangle ourselves in a quagmire of rhetoric. We will pass on the morons inside the beltway. They have no say for they can&#039;t think. All our defence will becoming from black budget program&#039;s, along with the implementation of the Quantum computer developed by Lockeed Martin. This puts us way ahead of the competition. Our lifestyle has gone to space and will be worked from that format. We shall become reactors to actions performed by others. Our freedoms will be limited as they are now with the patriot act. We think in illusions and miscalculations and therefore we shall suffer those consequences .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are dealing with the mundane status quo muck. Why do we tangle ourselves in a quagmire of rhetoric. We will pass on the morons inside the beltway. They have no say for they can&#8217;t think. All our defence will becoming from black budget program&#8217;s, along with the implementation of the Quantum computer developed by Lockeed Martin. This puts us way ahead of the competition. Our lifestyle has gone to space and will be worked from that format. We shall become reactors to actions performed by others. Our freedoms will be limited as they are now with the patriot act. We think in illusions and miscalculations and therefore we shall suffer those consequences .</p>
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		<title>Comment on No-Fly Zones: Bad Ideas Begetting Worse by Pakottava(n) diplomatian tarve &#124; The Ulkopolitist</title>
		<link>http://slouchingcolumbia.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/no-fly-zones-bad-ideas-begetting-worse/#comment-2118</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pakottava(n) diplomatian tarve &#124; The Ulkopolitist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] monella muullakin vaihtoehtoisella mekanismilla – esimerkiksi sotilaallisella interventiolla, lentokieltoalueella – on omat ongelmansa ja seurauksensa. Mutta kuten yllä on argumentoitu, nykyiset mekanismit ovat [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] monella muullakin vaihtoehtoisella mekanismilla – esimerkiksi sotilaallisella interventiolla, lentokieltoalueella – on omat ongelmansa ja seurauksensa. Mutta kuten yllä on argumentoitu, nykyiset mekanismit ovat [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arms Against Atrophy? by Pakottava(n) diplomatian tarve &#124; The Ulkopolitist</title>
		<link>http://slouchingcolumbia.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/arms-against-atrophy/#comment-2117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pakottava(n) diplomatian tarve &#124; The Ulkopolitist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on omat ongelmansa (jälkimmäisestä pointeista kiinnostuneille suosittelen myös Dan Tromblyn mainiota kirjoitusta aiheesta). Tällä, kuten monella muullakin vaihtoehtoisella mekanismilla – esimerkiksi [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on omat ongelmansa (jälkimmäisestä pointeista kiinnostuneille suosittelen myös Dan Tromblyn mainiota kirjoitusta aiheesta). Tällä, kuten monella muullakin vaihtoehtoisella mekanismilla – esimerkiksi [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Old School realism and the problem of society by The Critical Theory of International Relations and I &#124; elcidharth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Critical Theory of International Relations and I &#124; elcidharth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] historiography of realism is a touch problematic, but also a bit of a distraction, so I’ll leave it to others to address that question.  Instead, let’s start with the Twitter evidence. Slaughter is clearly [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] historiography of realism is a touch problematic, but also a bit of a distraction, so I’ll leave it to others to address that question.  Instead, let’s start with the Twitter evidence. Slaughter is clearly [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arms Against Atrophy? by LFC</title>
		<link>http://slouchingcolumbia.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/arms-against-atrophy/#comment-2107</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LFC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 02:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have put up a comment on this post at my blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have put up a comment on this post at my blog.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arms Against Atrophy? by dptrombly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dptrombly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the goal is to end the war as quickly as possible, let the Gulf states foot the bill. You want to shut them out, but in all likelihood we need their cooperation to distribute weapons (by all indications, the Turkish government simply doesn&#039;t have the capacity to run a large scale distribution operation in northern Syria at the present moment, let alone get access to the south). If the point is just to end the war ASAP then it doesn&#039;t really matter who pays for the weapons or gives them out, so why us?

But really, the bigger issue here is that ending the war quickly is not necessarily to check the influence of jihadist groups. We see this assertion that jihadist groups will die out without the war. I don&#039;t see much proof of that. You say that they lose their vigor once the &quot;black and white&quot; war is over, but that&#039;s exactly the opposite of what happened in Afghanistan. Deobandi groups such as the Taliban did not gain dominance until *after* the black-and-white, everyone-hates-the-commies phase of the war ended, and they gained popularity because the groups we helped armed and supply were useless warlords (and warlordism is something relying on foreign support contributes to, because why hold yourselves accountable to people who aren&#039;t paying your bills anyway?)

Indeed, since the end of Libya&#039;s revolution, jihadists have started running around with little consequence, since the rest of the militias don&#039;t care much to fight them because they&#039;re not as odious as Gaddafi and they don&#039;t threaten the system of local warlordism so long as the jihadists don&#039;t interfere with other factions ability to extract rents from their own sectors. The jihadists, on the other hand, may become even more motivated and invigorated once the new government can be shown to have the hand of the evil Crusaders behind it. They already consider the post-war a more important phase than the war itself. So I think this assertion that the jihadists are just going to melt away once Assad is gone is incredibly dubious.

Again, you talk of the &quot;failure of leadership&quot; and the need to build a state because the alternative is &quot;accepting chaos&quot; and &quot;competing proxy agendas.&quot; But simply arming the rebels does nothing to build a state (indeed, foreign suppliers reduce the need for rebel groups to build legitimacy and bases of support from domestic sources, Tilly and Giustozzi&#039;s work has some good points about this dynamic), nor does it do anything to reduce chaos (arming rebel groups is not going to end warlordism or create a centralized government in Syria), and unless we arm a rebel group capable of crushing the jihadis and sealing Syria&#039;s borders, and pay it so much money that it won&#039;t take money from anyone else (fat chance), there are still going to be competing proxy interests, which may mean our new rebel buddies, like the ones in Libya, will decide to pocket the benefits of U.S. support but continue letting rival groups do their thing so long as it&#039;s in areas they feel aren&#039;t worth the hassle of enforcing control over anyway. So the best you can say for arming the rebels is that it ends Assad&#039;s regime more quickly, that it makes the post-war any easier relies on a bunch of highly suspect assumptions and factors the U.S. has little influence over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the goal is to end the war as quickly as possible, let the Gulf states foot the bill. You want to shut them out, but in all likelihood we need their cooperation to distribute weapons (by all indications, the Turkish government simply doesn&#8217;t have the capacity to run a large scale distribution operation in northern Syria at the present moment, let alone get access to the south). If the point is just to end the war ASAP then it doesn&#8217;t really matter who pays for the weapons or gives them out, so why us?</p>
<p>But really, the bigger issue here is that ending the war quickly is not necessarily to check the influence of jihadist groups. We see this assertion that jihadist groups will die out without the war. I don&#8217;t see much proof of that. You say that they lose their vigor once the &#8220;black and white&#8221; war is over, but that&#8217;s exactly the opposite of what happened in Afghanistan. Deobandi groups such as the Taliban did not gain dominance until *after* the black-and-white, everyone-hates-the-commies phase of the war ended, and they gained popularity because the groups we helped armed and supply were useless warlords (and warlordism is something relying on foreign support contributes to, because why hold yourselves accountable to people who aren&#8217;t paying your bills anyway?)</p>
<p>Indeed, since the end of Libya&#8217;s revolution, jihadists have started running around with little consequence, since the rest of the militias don&#8217;t care much to fight them because they&#8217;re not as odious as Gaddafi and they don&#8217;t threaten the system of local warlordism so long as the jihadists don&#8217;t interfere with other factions ability to extract rents from their own sectors. The jihadists, on the other hand, may become even more motivated and invigorated once the new government can be shown to have the hand of the evil Crusaders behind it. They already consider the post-war a more important phase than the war itself. So I think this assertion that the jihadists are just going to melt away once Assad is gone is incredibly dubious.</p>
<p>Again, you talk of the &#8220;failure of leadership&#8221; and the need to build a state because the alternative is &#8220;accepting chaos&#8221; and &#8220;competing proxy agendas.&#8221; But simply arming the rebels does nothing to build a state (indeed, foreign suppliers reduce the need for rebel groups to build legitimacy and bases of support from domestic sources, Tilly and Giustozzi&#8217;s work has some good points about this dynamic), nor does it do anything to reduce chaos (arming rebel groups is not going to end warlordism or create a centralized government in Syria), and unless we arm a rebel group capable of crushing the jihadis and sealing Syria&#8217;s borders, and pay it so much money that it won&#8217;t take money from anyone else (fat chance), there are still going to be competing proxy interests, which may mean our new rebel buddies, like the ones in Libya, will decide to pocket the benefits of U.S. support but continue letting rival groups do their thing so long as it&#8217;s in areas they feel aren&#8217;t worth the hassle of enforcing control over anyway. So the best you can say for arming the rebels is that it ends Assad&#8217;s regime more quickly, that it makes the post-war any easier relies on a bunch of highly suspect assumptions and factors the U.S. has little influence over.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arms Against Atrophy? by The War to Come in Syria ~ Antiwar &#124; Stop Making Sense</title>
		<link>http://slouchingcolumbia.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/arms-against-atrophy/#comment-2101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The War to Come in Syria ~ Antiwar &#124; Stop Making Sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2013 21:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] manage to bolster the rebels enough to topple the Assad regime, the war doesn’t end there. Daniel Trombly raises the question of the current splits in the disparate Syrian rebel opposition and how those will be exacerbated [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] manage to bolster the rebels enough to topple the Assad regime, the war doesn’t end there. Daniel Trombly raises the question of the current splits in the disparate Syrian rebel opposition and how those will be exacerbated [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arms Against Atrophy? by The War to Come in Syria - Unofficial Network</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The War to Come in Syria - Unofficial Network]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] manage to bolster the rebels enough to topple the Assad regime, the war doesn&#8217;t end there. Daniel Trombly raises the question of the current splits in the disparate Syrian rebel opposition and how those will be exacerbated [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] manage to bolster the rebels enough to topple the Assad regime, the war doesn&#8217;t end there. Daniel Trombly raises the question of the current splits in the disparate Syrian rebel opposition and how those will be exacerbated [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arms Against Atrophy? by A Cautionary Note on Increased Aid to Syrian Rebels &#124; Dart-Throwing Chimp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Cautionary Note on Increased Aid to Syrian Rebels &#124; Dart-Throwing Chimp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] hope Syria gets to a better place soon. Like Dan Trombly and Ahsan Butt, however, I am not confident that increased support for selected rebel factions will [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hope Syria gets to a better place soon. Like Dan Trombly and Ahsan Butt, however, I am not confident that increased support for selected rebel factions will [...]</p>
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